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Fair Value Disclosures (Level 4 debt fv) (Details 6) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified | Jul. 31, 2013 | Oct. 31, 2012
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Book value and estimated fair value of the Company's debt |  |
Loans payable (a) | $ 97,679 | $ 99,817
Senior notes | 2,425,806 | 2,080,463
Mortgage company warehouse loan (c) | 65,654 | 72,664
Book value [Member] |  |
Book value and estimated fair value of the Company's debt |  |
Loans payable (a) | 97,679 | 99,817
Senior notes | 2,430,121 | 2,089,189
Mortgage company warehouse loan (c) | 65,654 | 72,664
Total debt | 2,593,454 | 2,261,670
Estimate fair value [Member] |  |
Book value and estimated fair value of the Company's debt |  |
Loans payable (a) | 97,298 | 99,093
Senior notes | 2,544,115 | 2,340,189
Mortgage company warehouse loan (c) | 65,654 | 72,664
Total debt | $ 2,707,067 | $ 2,511,946

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