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Fair Value Disclosures (Level 4 debt fv) (Details 5) (USD $) In Thousands, unless otherwise specified | Apr. 30, 2015 | Oct. 31, 2014
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Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | $ 674,649 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel2Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_EstimateOfFairValueFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_LoansPayableMember | $ 652,944 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel2Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_EstimateOfFairValueFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_LoansPayableMember
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 70,052 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel2Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_EstimateOfFairValueFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_WarehouseAgreementBorrowingsMember | 90,281 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel2Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_EstimateOfFairValueFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_WarehouseAgreementBorrowingsMember
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 2,852,929 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel1Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_EstimateOfFairValueFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_SeniorNotesMember | 2,821,559 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel1Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_EstimateOfFairValueFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_SeniorNotesMember
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 674,817 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel2Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_CarryingReportedAmountFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_LoansPayableMember | 654,261 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel2Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_CarryingReportedAmountFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_LoansPayableMember
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 70,052 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel2Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_CarryingReportedAmountFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_WarehouseAgreementBorrowingsMember | 90,281 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel2Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_CarryingReportedAmountFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_WarehouseAgreementBorrowingsMember
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 2,657,376 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel1Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_CarryingReportedAmountFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_SeniorNotesMember | 2,657,376 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByFairValueHierarchyLevelAxis = us-gaap_FairValueInputsLevel1Member / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementFrequencyAxis = us-gaap_CarryingReportedAmountFairValueDisclosureMember / us-gaap_LongtermDebtTypeAxis = us-gaap_SeniorNotesMember
Book value [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 3,402,245 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementBasisAxis = us-gaap_CarryingReportedAmountFairValueDisclosureMember | 3,401,918 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementBasisAxis = us-gaap_CarryingReportedAmountFairValueDisclosureMember
Estimate fair value [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | $ 3,597,630 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementBasisAxis = us-gaap_EstimateOfFairValueFairValueDisclosureMember | $ 3,564,784 us-gaap_DebtInstrumentFairValue / us-gaap_FairValueByMeasurementBasisAxis = us-gaap_EstimateOfFairValueFairValueDisclosureMember

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