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Fair Value Disclosures (Level 4 debt fv) (Details 4) - USD ($) $ in Thousands | Oct. 31, 2017 | Oct. 31, 2016
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Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | $ 3,385,364 | $ 3,923,561
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 2,626,131 | 2,843,177
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 639,088 | 870,384
Estimate of Fair Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 120,145 | 210,000
Reported Value Measurement [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 3,229,137 | 3,790,185
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 2,469,876 | 2,707,376
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 639,116 | 872,809
Reported Value Measurement [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | $ 120,145 | $ 210,000

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