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Fair Value Disclosures (Level 4 debt fv) (Details 2) - USD ($) $ in Thousands | Jul. 31, 2024 | Oct. 31, 2023
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Book value [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | $ 2,827,618 | $ 2,867,436
Book value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 1,102,201 | 1,167,378
Book value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 125,417 | 100,058
Book value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 1,600,000 | 1,600,000
Estimate fair value [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 2,774,960 | 2,731,982
Estimate fair value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Loans Payable [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 1,082,633 | 1,150,704
Estimate fair value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 2 [Member] | Warehouse Agreement Borrowings [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | 125,417 | 100,058
Estimate fair value [Member] | Fair Value, Inputs, Level 1 [Member] | Senior Notes [Member] |  |
Fair Value, Balance Sheet Grouping, Financial Statement Captions [Line Items] |  |
Debt Instrument, Fair Value Disclosure | $ 1,566,910 | $ 1,481,220

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