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Management, performance and founders fees (Details) (USD $) |  |  | 3 Months Ended | 6 Months Ended | 3 Months Ended | 6 Months Ended | 3 Months Ended | 6 Months Ended | 3 Months Ended | 6 Months Ended
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Jun. 30, 2014 Third Point Advisors LLC | Jun. 30, 2014 TP LLC and Various Third Point Re Founders | Dec. 31, 2013 Performance fees due under the Investment Agreement | Jun. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] | Jun. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] | Jun. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] | Jun. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] | Jun. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Third Point LLC | Jun. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Third Point LLC | Jun. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Third Point LLC | Jun. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Third Point LLC | Jun. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Founders | Jun. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Founders | Jun. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Founders | Jun. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Founders | Jun. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Third Point Advisors LLC | Jun. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Third Point Advisors LLC | Jun. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Third Point Advisors LLC | Jun. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Performance fees due under the Investment Agreement Third Point Advisors LLC
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Annual investment performance fee | 20.00% |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
Annual investment management fee |  | 2.00% |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
Investment fee expenses |  |  |  | $ 17,971,000 | $ 13,360,000 | $ 38,190,000 | $ 38,192,000 | $ 1,240,000 | $ 795,000 | $ 2,428,000 | $ 1,519,000 | $ 7,025,000 | $ 4,502,000 | $ 13,760,000 | $ 8,604,000 | $ 9,706,000 | $ 8,063,000 | $ 28,069,000 | $ 22,002,000
Performance fee payable |  |  | $ 63,000,000 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |

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