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Management, performance and founders fees (Details) (USD $)
3 Months Ended 6 Months Ended 3 Months Ended 6 Months Ended 3 Months Ended 6 Months Ended 3 Months Ended 6 Months Ended
Jun. 30, 2014
Third Point Advisors LLC
Jun. 30, 2014
TP LLC and Various Third Point Re Founders
Dec. 31, 2013
Performance fees due under the Investment Agreement
Jun. 30, 2014
Investment Income [Member]
Jun. 30, 2013
Investment Income [Member]
Jun. 30, 2014
Investment Income [Member]
Jun. 30, 2013
Investment Income [Member]
Jun. 30, 2014
Investment Income [Member]
Third Point LLC
Jun. 30, 2013
Investment Income [Member]
Third Point LLC
Jun. 30, 2014
Investment Income [Member]
Third Point LLC
Jun. 30, 2013
Investment Income [Member]
Third Point LLC
Jun. 30, 2014
Investment Income [Member]
Founders
Jun. 30, 2013
Investment Income [Member]
Founders
Jun. 30, 2014
Investment Income [Member]
Founders
Jun. 30, 2013
Investment Income [Member]
Founders
Jun. 30, 2014
Investment Income [Member]
Third Point Advisors LLC
Jun. 30, 2013
Investment Income [Member]
Third Point Advisors LLC
Jun. 30, 2013
Investment Income [Member]
Third Point Advisors LLC
Jun. 30, 2014
Investment Income [Member]
Performance fees due under the Investment Agreement
Third Point Advisors LLC
Related Party Transaction [Line Items]                                      
Annual investment performance fee 20.00%                                    
Annual investment management fee   2.00%                                  
Investment fee expenses       $ 17,971,000 $ 13,360,000 $ 38,190,000 $ 38,192,000 $ 1,240,000 $ 795,000 $ 2,428,000 $ 1,519,000 $ 7,025,000 $ 4,502,000 $ 13,760,000 $ 8,604,000 $ 9,706,000 $ 8,063,000 $ 28,069,000 $ 22,002,000
Performance fee payable     $ 63,000,000