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Management, performance and founders fees (Details) (USD $) |  |  | 3 Months Ended | 9 Months Ended | 3 Months Ended | 9 Months Ended | 3 Months Ended | 9 Months Ended | 3 Months Ended | 9 Months Ended
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Sep. 30, 2014 Third Point Advisors LLC | Sep. 30, 2014 TP LLC and Various Third Point Re Founders | Dec. 31, 2013 Performance fees due under the Investment Agreement | Sep. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] | Sep. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] | Sep. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] | Sep. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] | Sep. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Third Point LLC | Sep. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Third Point LLC | Sep. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Third Point LLC | Sep. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Third Point LLC | Sep. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Founders | Sep. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Founders | Sep. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Founders | Sep. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Founders | Sep. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Third Point Advisors LLC | Sep. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Third Point Advisors LLC | Sep. 30, 2013 Investment Income [Member] Third Point Advisors LLC | Sep. 30, 2014 Investment Income [Member] Performance fees due under the Investment Agreement Third Point Advisors LLC
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Annual investment performance fee | 20.00% |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
Annual investment management fee |  | 2.00% |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |
Investment fee expenses |  |  |  | $ 8,440,000 | $ 19,558,000 | $ 46,630,000 | $ 57,750,000 | $ 1,290,000 | $ 978,000 | $ 3,718,000 | $ 2,497,000 | $ 7,315,000 | $ 5,545,000 | $ 21,075,000 | $ 14,149,000 | $ (165,000) | $ 13,035,000 | $ 41,104,000 | $ 21,837,000
Performance fee payable |  |  | $ 63,000,000 |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |  |

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