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Management, performance and founders fees (Tables) | 9 Months Ended | 12 Months Ended
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Sep. 30, 2014 | Dec. 31, 2013
Management, Performance and Founders Fees [Abstract] |  |
Schedule of investment fee expenses | Investment fee expenses related to the Investment Agreement, which are included in net investment income in the condensed consolidated statements of income (loss) for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2014 and 2013 are as follows:
| For the three months ended |  | For the nine months ended
| September 30, 2014 |  | September 30, 2013 |  | September 30, 2014 |  | September 30, 2013
| ($ in thousands)
Management fees - Third Point LLC | $ | 1,290 |  |  | $ | 978 |  |  | $ | 3,718 |  |  | $ | 2,497 |
Management fees - Founders | 7,315 |  |  | 5,545 |  |  | 21,075 |  |  | 14,149 |
Performance fees - Third Point Advisors LLC | (165 | ) |  | 13,035 |  |  | 21,837 |  |  | 41,104 |
| $ | 8,440 |  |  | $ | 19,558 |  |  | $ | 46,630 |  |  | $ | 57,750 |
| Investment fee expenses related to the Investment Agreement, which are included in net investment income in the consolidated statements of income (loss) for the years ended December 31, 2013 and 2012 are as follows:
|  | 2013 |  | 2012
| ($ in thousands)
Management fees - Third Point LLC |  | $ | 3,651 |  |  | $ | 2,444 |
Management fees - Founders |  | 20,686 |  |  | 13,854 |
Performance fees - Third Point Advisors LLC |  | 62,996 |  |  | 33,913 |
|  | $ | 87,333 |  |  | $ | 50,211 |

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