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Management, performance and founders fees (Tables)

9 Months Ended

12 Months Ended

Sep. 30, 2014

Dec. 31, 2013

Management, Performance and Founders Fees [Abstract]

Schedule of investment fee expenses

Investment fee expenses related to the Investment Agreement, which are included in net investment income in the condensed consolidated statements of income (loss) for the three and nine months ended September 30, 2014 and 2013 are as follows:

	For the three months ended								For the nine months ended
	September 30, 2014				September 30, 2013				September 30, 2014				September 30, 2013
	($ in thousands)
Management fees - Third Point LLC	$	1,290			$	978			$	3,718			$	2,497
Management fees - Founders	7,315				5,545				21,075				14,149
Performance fees - Third Point Advisors LLC	(165		)		13,035				21,837				41,104
	$	8,440			$	19,558			$	46,630			$	57,750

Investment fee expenses related to the Investment Agreement, which are included in net investment income in the consolidated statements of income (loss) for the years ended December 31, 2013 and 2012 are as follows:

		2013				2012
	($ in thousands)
Management fees - Third Point LLC		$	3,651			$	2,444
Management fees - Founders		20,686				13,854
Performance fees - Third Point Advisors LLC		62,996				33,913
		$	87,333			$	50,211

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