Benefit Plans Projected Benefit Obligations and Accumulated Benefit Obligations in Exess of Plan Assets (Details) (USD $) In Millions, unless otherwise specified	Sep. 30, 2013	Sep. 30, 2012
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure
Projected benefit obligation	$ 11,471	$ 11,955
Accumulated benefit obligation	11,216	11,680
Fair value of net plan assets	$ 7,221	$ 7,029

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If aggregate disclosures are presented, the aggregate pension accumulated benefit obligation for pension plans with accumulated benefit obligations in excess of plan assets as of the measurement date of each statement of financial position presented.

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If aggregate disclosures are presented, the aggregate projected benefit obligation for pension plans with accumulated benefit obligations in excess of plan assets as of the measurement date of each statement of financial position presented.

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