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Benefit Plans Projected Benefit Obligations and Accumulated Benefit Obligations in Exess of Plan Assets (Details) - USD ($) $ in Millions	Sep. 30, 2016	Sep. 30, 2015
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure
Projected benefit obligation	$ 13,083	$ 12,824
Accumulated benefit obligation	12,912	12,626
Fair value of net plan assets	$ 7,145	$ 6,797

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If aggregate disclosures are presented, the aggregate pension accumulated benefit obligation for pension plans with accumulated benefit obligations in excess of plan assets as of the measurement date of each statement of financial position presented.

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