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Benefit Plans Projected Benefit Obligations and Accumulated Benefit Obligations in Exess of Plan Assets (Details) - Pension Benefits - USD ($)
$ in Millions
Sep. 30, 2023
Sep. 30, 2022
Defined Benefit Plan Disclosure    
Accumulated benefit obligation $ 10,069 $ 10,508
Defined Benefit Plan, Pension Plan with Projected Benefit Obligation in Excess of Plan Assets, Plan Assets 8,129 8,094
Fair value of net plan assets $ 8,094 $ 9,110