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Revenue from contracts with customers (Details 2) - CHF (SFr)
SFr in Millions
3 Months Ended
Dec. 31, 2023
Sep. 30, 2023
Jun. 30, 2023
Mar. 31, 2023
Dec. 31, 2022
Contract balances [Line Items]          
Accounts Receivable, Net SFr 457       SFr 686
Contract with Customer, Liability 47       SFr 54
Contract with Customer, Liability, Revenue Recognized SFr 29 SFr (17) SFr 7 SFr 10